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Sunday, January 01, 2006

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sam

I like Tchaikovsky and Hank Williams and Outkast.
I also see your point on the choice or life issue. I haven't as successfully concluded anything though. I can't accept that abortion is okay, but I can accept the issue of control of one's body. Mostly I feel that girls and women need better tools so that abortion truly is an emergency option.
I also hate that so few people seem to truly consider the issue. Too often people seem to jump on a side based on their political leanings and regurgitate the arguements. The rhetoric, phrases such as "anti choice" or "pro death" only seem to make the issue more divided.

Karen E.

We wish we could have you and Top M. over to dinner, so we could all be pro-life, liberal outcasts together. We feel the same way, although I don't think Atticus has ever listened to Sonic Youth (we do like Van Morrison, though ....)

Re. Sam -- your comments about a woman controlling her body and abortion being an emergency option arise from compassion but it's a misguided compassion. The numbers of post-abortive women who are speaking out about how abortion destroyed them are rising, and I believe the numbers (of women who would attest to that) would be staggeringly close to the actual number of abortions if most women didn't feel the need to keep their abortions secret. Real feminism (for example, the Catholic Church, and Feminists for Life -- strange bedfellows, but in sync on this one) acknowledges that abortion wounds women deeply. Even in the hard cases, taking the baby's life doesn't right the other wrongs (I have a relative who became pregnant after a rape and carried the baby to term ... she's an awesome example of such courage and selflessness. The "product of rape" is now a pretty well-adjusted young man who was adopted by a wonderful couple after his birth.)

An abortion never solves problems ... it just creates new ones.

Scott

I like Tchaikovsky and Hank Williams and Outkast.

That’s what I’m talkin’ about! Yeah, baby.

I can't accept that abortion is okay, but I can accept the issue of control of one's body.

I couldn’t agree more, Sam. But having been involved in the whole conception process several times (apologies for the unpleasant images that’s sure to spawn…so to speak), I can tell you that both the folks involved had control over their bodies. That’s what created them new life forms. There was no mystery (although considerable majesty, thank you very much). Persons A and B knew that Act X could lead to Person C. They chose to go ahead with Act X anyway.

It seems fairly simple (though extremely emotional) to me: I agree that women should have control over their bodies. And in the overwhelming majority of cases, they do and did. In fact, in at least two incredibly memorable instances, oh my, did she ever. (Again, my apologies. But if it’s any consolation, Top Management’s going to hit me really, really hard when she reads that. She embarrasses easily. You’d think she’d have had better sense than to marry me and then, moreover, engage in Act X. Repeatedly. Her mistake.)

If you don’t want to get pregnant and/or are not willing to carry the baby to term, don’t have sex (aka Act X). It’s not going to kill you to not to. Yes, it’s going to feel like you’re going to die. But you’re not really.

So when it comes to a woman’s right to choose what she does with her body, no one’s interested in stopping her from having sex. (Well, other than her father, maybe.) There’s the choice right there. But if she does indeed choose to have sex, she’s got to be willing to accept what that means. And what that means is that another person enters the picture and your choices are now much more limited. If you’re not willing to accept that possibility, then don’t choose to go down that road.

Mostly I feel that girls and women need better tools so that abortion truly is an emergency option.

I’m so with you. That’s what drives me insane about the pro-life movement. As I’ve mentioned in previous rants, it unfortunately truly seems even to me, a guy who’s on their side, like most of them care more about the battle than the goal. That they care more about changing the law than saving lives. If they truly wanted to get rid of abortion, they’d work much, much, much harder at making it easier for women who might be tempted to get an abortion to instead carry the baby to term. But the only ones who seem to care about things like comprehensive pre- and post-natal care and child care are liberals. Who, of course, are pro-choice. (Except for us outcasts.)

I also hate that so few people seem to truly consider the issue. Too often people seem to jump on a side based on their political leanings and regurgitate the arguments.

Yup. I read a study once that said most people in this country, around the time they’re in the late teens, look around and decide which political party most closely conforms to their own beliefs, taking into account the affiliations of their family members and friends. They then start to think of themselves as Democrat or Republican or Libertarian or Green or whatever. But the thing is, once they’ve put themselves in whatever camp they decide, their beliefs begin to change to more closely mirror whichever party they’ve decided to join. So if you’re slightly left of center and decide that makes you a liberal, you begin to think of yourself as a liberal. And as the years go by, your positions tend to slide further and further to the left, and the same goes with those on the right.

Now, this is obviously when we’re speaking about the population as a whole. We’re all going to know exceptions to the rule. In fact, I suspect we all like to think ourselves exceptions to the rule and, hey, let’s be honest—if you’re reading Left of the Dial, you’re exceptional already.

But, amongst other things, this explains why the exact same folks who said the president must be impeached for perjury are so curiously silent now that a president from the other party has admitted breaking not just the law but pissing on the constitution and doing so in a most defiant fashion.

But I reckon that’s a rant for another time.

Steve the LLamabutcher

Sonic Youth rule. As do the Clash, and boy have I gotten raised eyebrows pulling into The Neighborhood with the Pixies playing at much too high a decible. Miles is okay, but I'm more of a John Coltrane guy. And I like Gershwin, so sue me.

As for the feeling the exile, I can empathize.

Scott

Sonic Youth rule.

Man. I’ve loved them for fifteen years or whatever, but I really do think their last three albums are amongst the best they’ve ever done. Maybe not better than Daydream Nation or Dirty or Washing Machine, but right up there. So different and yet so consistent and just so great.

As do the Clash, and boy have I gotten raised eyebrows pulling into The Neighborhood with the Pixies playing at much too high a decible.

Well, now, is that what it’s like to be an adult for folks our age? We’ve still got the rock and roll blasting, but rather than tearing down the road, now we drive slowly in our minivans with our eyes peeled for kids.

Miles is okay,

!

but I'm more of a John Coltrane guy. And I like Gershwin, so sue me.

I was driving over the mountain from Waynesboro the other night with ‘Trane’s Ascension blaring. The weather was pretty lousy—it was snowing up on top—so I was being a bit more cautious than usual. And I thought, wow, if something were to happen and the cops found me unconscious (or worse) behind the wheel and the CD was still playing, I’d be willing to bet they’d lay at least some of the blame on the tunes. :)

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